Caro Pedro,
Compreendo a lógica do artigo e subscrevo o princípio geral da necessidade das pessoas olharem para os seus interesses comuns para melhor os defenderem.
Mas acho que há algum exagero em algumas afirmações.
Quando se compara o saca com a vanessa fernandes(não entro na discussão de que desportos têm mais praticantes) estamos a comparar um candidato a manter-se no wct com uma campeã do mundo que domina a modalidade raramente saindo dos três primeiros. E em notoriedade desportiva isso faz toda a diferença. O mesmo se diga da Telma Monteiro.
O saca é o melhor de todos os surfistas portugueses mas a vanessa é a melhor de todos em todo o mundo.
Isso não diminui o saca nem um bocadinho (digamos que é mais improvável Portugal produzir outro surfista candidato a manter-se no WCT que um futebolista candidato a integrar uma equipa mundial de topo o que só realça as qualidades pessoais e desportivas excepcionais do saca) mas para quem está de fora há toda uma distância que existe por razões mais fundas que o mero individualismo.
Quanto às marcas a questão é ainda mais simples: as marcas põem o dinheiro onde há retorno. E a verdade é que a grande maioria do volume de negócios das marcas de surf não provém de surfistas mas do resto do público.
E não me parece que as marcas tenham qualquer obrigação moral para com o surf: ou o surf serve o seu negócio ou não serve. Se serve apoiam na medida em que serve, e não mais.
Claro que tudo isso remete para o papel social do surf, o que não tenho pretensões de discutir com o Pedro, mas suspeito que os surfistas se atribuem a si próprios uma influência social que efectivamente não têm.
Saber o que fazer para aumentar essa influência social seria bom.
Os interessados no surf unirem-se na defesa de interesses comuns é um bom ponto de partida.
Mas para isso seria preciso ter uma noção do que são os interesses comuns dos agentes do surf.
henrique pereira dos santos

Neste caso, Henrique, começar por dizer que não se discute o "número de praticantes" é o mesmo que abrir um discurso sobre o degelo dos glaciares com o pressuposto que não se discute o aquecimento global. Porque na realidade, este artigo tem tudo a ver com os "tantos" – os números. E é por aí, e não por achar que somos uns iluminados, que me parece que o surf tem bem mais relevância social do que possa parecer. Há, neste momento muita, muita, gente a fazer surf, de diferentes camadas sociais, origens diversas, de todas as faixas etárias e géneros, um mosaico social que nem sempre existiu e que agora se multiplicou. E já que entrámos no tema, quantos atletas de duatlo/triatlo há no nosso país? A Vanessa Fernandes está em vias de ganhar a 20ª Taça do Mundo de Triatlo e esse é um feito estrondoso,parabéns, muito bem. Agora imaginemos que, em vez da Vanessa Fernandes, atleta do Benfica e filha do histórico ciclista Venceslau Fernandes, estamos a falar da Vanessa Fernandes, competidora de curling em vias de ganhar a sua 20ª Taça do Mundo algures no Canadá? Que tal isso para "notoriedade desportiva"? Não são os resultados que contam? Parece-me ainda que há um grande desconhecimento sobre aquilo que o Saca realmente conseguiu para o surf nacional, bem como sobre as suas reais capacidades de fazer mais e melhor do que "se manter" por lá, mas isso tem mais a ver com o facto de haver, lá está, "muita gente" a falar sobre surf e nem tanta a perceber do que fala. Veremos nos próximos anos. E agora é altura de ir apanhar mais umas ondas. Duvido sinceramente que haja pouca gente na água. Abraço

Caro MC,
Que eu não percebo nada de surf é uma evidência. Mas este post é sobre sociedade e não exactamente sobre surf.
Compreendo que reaja ao meu aparte de que não vou discutir o número de praticantes e passo a explicá-lo: nenhum de nós, nem o Pedro, nem o MC, nem eu temos nenhuma informação fiável sobre o assunto que nos permita essa discussão. Posso dizer que o triatlo terá 1700 atletas federados (foi o que percebi do site da respectiva federação) o que penso que seja um número largamente superior ao de surfistas federados. Posso também dizer que os campeonatos de triatlo têm dezenas de participantes, são mais e mais concorridos do que os de surf e têm mais público envolvido. Parece-nos a nós terem menos visibilidade que o surf mas será a realidade que é assim ou somos nós que vemos mal?
E esse é a questão do meu comentário: partimos de um princípio verdadeiro, o crescimento do surf foi muito grande e rápido, para depois darmos um salto para a afirmação da importância social do surf que pura e simplesmente não fundamentamos.
Já repararam que salvo em pequeninos troços da costa o crowd insuportável na água é uma ínfima minoria em relação aos outros que usam a praia?
Hoje está vento leste. No inverno trás um frio cortante e no Verão um calor de ananazes (em surfês, em Portugal, é um vento offshore). E ondas na costa Sul do Algarve. E fogos, muitos fogos florestais.
Os surfistas que puderem irão todos correr para a praia e a praia vai ficar cheia.
Mas sobretudo de gente que não liga nenhuma ao surf e aos surfistas.
henrique pereira dos santos
PS um comentário sobre o que eu disse do saca: eu não diminuí o saca ao dizer que, por enquanto, é um candidato a manter-se no WCT. Reproduzi a visão dominante de quem está de fora. Por exemplo, do editor de um jornal desportivo que tem espaço para uma de duas notícias. E por mais importância que tenha para o surf o saca estar onde está (e tem) a verdade é que o editor não saberia muito bem por que razão publicaria a notícia sobre o saca. E essa é a grande lição do saca: passar por cima disso tudo e concentrar-se no que só ele sabe que é o seu horizonte, acreditem ou não os outros.

Uma nota para esta discussão que também já tenho tido em sede própria praticamente todos os dias...

Mais do que o número de praticantes, o numéro de praticantes federados (refira-se que até há bem pouco tempo, o campeão nesse capítulo era a columbofilia...), interessam os resultados. Com "R" grande.

Qualquer iniciado em desportos de ondas sabe a importância do que o Saca conseguiu. Mas num qualquer orgão de informaçao desportiva ou generalista interessam títulos, vitórias.

Gosto de citar um dos fundadores do jornal "A Bola" que dizia que "desporto sem bola não é desporto". Teve azar que depois apareceram Joaquim Agostinho, Carlos Lopes, Rosa Mota, etc...

A Vanessa Fernandes entrará nesse rol, sobretudo depois da medalha olímpica que, quase inevitavelmente, ganhará. E a Telma Monteiro, idem. Não são comparáveis à dimensão popular que o Saca poderá ter.

Verdade seja dita que se o surf fosse momdalidade olímpica, as coisas seriam mais fáceis.

Ou então que o Saca ganhe um WCT...

Depois, a jjuntar a isto tudo, falta organização e poder de "lobbying" ao surf nacional. Também ajuda.

Não queria entrar em subterfúgios inúteis, porque acho que todos sabemos que há uma simples mas grande diferença entre "número de federados" e "número de praticantes".
São leituras diferentes e respeitáveis de um texto que, quanto a mim, traz ao de cima o enorme antagonismo entre o momento explosivo que o surf vive e o movimento, seja social, cultural ou económico, que esse mesmo momento gera (ou não) para dentro e para fora do surf. Ninguém quer promover o surf a desporto-rei e nem tudo se resume a notícias nos diários desportivos generalistas. Penso que este texto é mais uma auto-crítica do que outra coisa qualquer. É que, afinal de contas, quem quer saber destas coisas todas quando hoje estiveram altas ondas?

Precisamente, o que é que interessa isto? Está vento Leste, pá!

Mas tenos de dar tempo ao tempo. Os desportos de ondas têm muito pouco tempo entre nós, não há "cultura de praia" como noutros países. E os desportos de ondas ainda são vistos como actividades "de putos que brincam na água" (estou a citar algo que ouvi numa redacção de um grande jornal desportivo).

Um elemento que não tem directamente a ver com isto mas que se entronca no que estou a dizer: temos muita gente a fazer surf, ok. Como é o nível global? Desculpem se ofendo alguém, mas é confrangedoramente baixo. Isso não é necessariamente mau, as pessoas gozam o mar como podem e nem todos os que fazem "jogging" ao fim-de-semana querem (ou podem) correr a maratona.

Agora, desportivamente, porque é disso que estamos a falar, estas coisas pagam-se. O surf sofre com a sua explosiva popularidade. E vai sofrer ainda mais antes de poder colher os frutos. Porque está a crescer depressa de mais em cima de raízes, admitamos, muito frágeis.

Os surfistas (e eu sou um deles) têm-se demasiado em conta. Acham-se especiais e julgam que o desporto que fazem deve ser protegido de forças do mal que só eles vêem. A verdade é que somos exactamente iguais aos gajos que jogam ténis à quarta-feira à noite e ao fim de semana e que têm que esperar a vez deles para alugar o court. Acham que eles se preocupam com a utilização abusiva das marcas quando põem alguém a jogar ténis num anúncio. Ou que ficam muito indignados quando abrem A Bola e não há notícias de ténis? Ou quando O Jogo e a RTP fala mais da Vanessa Fernandes do que da Michelle Brito? Será que vão lá para os blogs deles carpir as lágrimas? Já sei, já sei… não se revoltam porque são poucos e não têm espírito de associativismo? Ou se calhar não fazem nada porque no fim de contas… é só uma partida de ténis. O Saca é o maior, sem dúvida, mas o Saca só faz surf, apesar de ser o melhor português de sempre, é apenas surf. E o surf é assim…tem pouca expressão (vai tendo mais), não tem retorno nem para as marcas dentro do próprio surf (sim, porque não é a venda de material técnico que alimenta os milhares que trabalham nas Rip e nas Billas e afins), não tem tradição em Portugal e não vende (na sua essência) produtos (apesar de já irmos para aí com 3 revistas das especialidade que vivem parece-me a mim de publicidade e não da venda em banca e muito menos de assinaturas). Por fim e apenas porque a direcção do comentário o pode fazer parecer, não se pense que o surf não tem um papel central na minha vida. Tem. Boas ondas e paz.

Olha o Marco já disse tudo o que interessa... BOAS ONDAS E PAZ :)

concordo com isso td, de facto o saca é bom ng lhe tira o merito...mas ainda bem q ng o entrevista e ng o conhece, pq pa dizer as barbaridades q disse na bola mais vale nem saber q ele existe!!!

Ja viram os prize moneys este ano para o nacional???! 1500 euros so em sonhos............

N se pode comparar o triatlo q tem meia duzia de anos como modalidade de expressão internacional ao nivel profissional com o Surf q tem décadas já...

A federação de triatlo provavelmente sempre esteve presente desde o momento da explosao inicial da modalidade, sabendo trabalhar bem ao nivel dos clubes e da formaçao (digo eu, q n conheço assim tao bem a realidade dessa modalidade) enquanto q em Portugal sóa gr se começar a dar os 1ºs passos na formação de atletas surfistas, qdo a modalidade já é profissional desde a década de 60 ou 70.

Acho q passa um pouco por aí, pelo menos no q diz respeito à comparaçao do surf c o triatlo, é a tal diferença q o triatlo, ainda q modalidade olimpica é mto recente.

P.S. em Portugal atletas federados pela FPS existem bem mais de 1700...lembro-me de ter inscrito uns ex atletas meu no ano passado e serem o nº 8 mil e qq coisa...duvido q se fizessem uma actualização 7 mil já n fossem federados.

Boas

Só para baralhar...

Parece-me que se está a misturar o ser PRATICANTE DE SURF, SURFISTA e SURFISTA/ATLETA.
Praticantes, somos todos os que temos uma prancha em casa e de vez em quando, a levamos a tomar uma banhoca de água salgada. Amamos o estilo de vida dos SURFISTAS, mas por conjecturas várias, não o chegamos a ser. Raramente andamos queimados do pescoço para cima, não usamos cabelos longos e loiros, não viajamos pelo mundo 300 dos 365 dias do ano e nem sequer surfamos mais do que uma a duas vezes por semana. Esses, são os SURFISTAS. Porque ser surfista, é ser mais do que muita gente pensa. Todos jogamos à bola. Será que também somos futebolistas?
Os SUFISTAS, esses seres invejáveis, vivem para o surf. Muitas vezes do surf. Nas suas veias corre sangue salgado, de tantas e tantas horas de molho. Esses, não têm horários, nem empregos fixos. Vivem em função das marés, ventos e fundos. E viajam. Viajam muito. Têm todo o tempo do mundo e normalmente poucos compromissos.
Depois vêm os SURFISTAS/ATLETAS - sendo o Tiago Pires o apogeu nacional deste protótipo.
Estes alcançaram um patamar diferente, em que o surf se torna numa ferramenta. A ferramenta do seu trabalho e sobrevivência. São poucos os que temos por cá. Umas poucas dezenas.
Sendo assim e não sendo reconhecidamente o SURF, uma modalidade de massas - (se bem que às vezes pareça), o que esperar desta actividade de deslizar nas ondas, que acessóriamente vende milhões de €€s ano em roupa e outros acessórios, que influência músicos e escritores e que diariamente vê por todo o mundo, miúdos/as a desenharem ondas nos cadernos das escolas, sonhando com a praia.
Auguro um futuro risonho, para os muitos milhões que nos próximos anos vão descobrir esse prazer fútil e um mais tristonho, para os muitos milhares que vão ver os seus picos preferidos inundados, impossibilitando o prazer do surf, conforme hoje o conhecemos.
Prevejo algo parecido com as estâncias de neve. No principio eram só meia dúzia de malucos que subiam as montanhas a pé, hoje são milhões espalhados pelos quatro cantos do mundo, que pagam para utilizar as montanhas e os meios mecânicos.
Daqui a 10/20/30 anos, para surfares na tua praia, terás que comprar forfait e sempre que terminares uma onda, estará uma mota à tua espera, para te rebocar de volta ao pico.

Abraço

Zé

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